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October 10, 2006

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Mamma1420/ClassicalMamma

While you are entitled to your own opinions concerning The Well-Trained Mind, there are a few errors in your post.

1. Jessie Wise is Susan Wise Bauer's mother. Jessie Wise is a former elementary school teacher, principal and former pioneering homeschooler who now is an educational consultant and speaker.

"WTM teaches academics to kindergarteners, does not teach via art, does not teach via the body, does not explicitly work from a spiritual perspective, has a totally different view of the developing child and human being.... Its methodology is organized according to beliefs about the different stages a child goes through - but these stages and the implications of them are as different from those in Waldorf as one could get!"

Quote from pg. 24 of The Well-Trained Mind: "Don't make K-4 students dig for information. Fill their mind and imagination with images and concepts, pictures and stories. Spread knowledge out in front of them, and let them feast."

It is suggested to prioritize reading, writing, grammar and math but it doesn't say that this should be the end-all. My WTM first grader does art two times a week, a nature journal (as recommended in WTM) and art appreciation/history (also recommended in WTM). Check pages p.207-217 for Art and Music suggestions and resources. Our homeschool is based on The Well-Trained Mind and we're having a blast.

Oh and your language arts book is very expensive. Jessie Wise wrote The Ordinary Parent's Guide to Teaching Reading and it retails for $29.99 at major bookstores. We use it and love it. It has been very effective.

Although I have never heard of the Waldorf Education, I will check it out. I just wanted clarify some facts about The Well-Trained Mind, lest anyone get the wrong impression based on your post.

Please forgive if I have trespassed
Jessica

Melonie K. (Stop The World)

I originally planned to use TWTM with my daughter, but due to life's not-so-little changes, decided it would take too much planning and prep time for me at this stage, and while it would achieve the educational goals I have for the long term, TWTM isn't really up her alley for the short term.
I decided, for this year, to try to find a pre-packaged curriculum that would suit her learning style and interests and still be open to my own needs to supplement. After all, no curriculum or syllabus has everything for every family.
I agree with you, Donna, that TWTM and Waldorf are very different. However, I feel that this can be dependent upon the family. After all, a more relaxed WTM family could implement each of the suggestions Jessie Wise and Susan Wise Bauer have come up with without stepping on their children's spirits or making things overly "school at home". (It sound like your other comment, Jessica, has been able to do this in her home!) On the flip side, all too many of the WTM users I know personally try to pack way too much into young kids' homeschooling journeys, leaving the kids overwhelmed and the moms burned out. That is what I fear, I personally would do! I'd try to do it all, and I don't have the time or energy right now. Hopefully in the future. For now, I have chosen to use Oak Meadow (which I spotted in your other post, will comment there with something I hope will give you a chuckle) and will supplement with the super-helpful reading lists from WTM.

Marsha

As a parent who has examined both Waldorf and classical modes of education (several expressions of classical, in fact, The Well-Trained Mind being just one) I see a good amount of overlap - particularly in the early years. Use of folk tales, consideration of the whole child, and the desire to present beauty and creativity in human expression are all areas where I see commonalities between the two. There are others as well - including, at least in the case of The Well-Trained Mind's approach, highly creative handwork in almost every subject.

As with most things where it's tempting to adopt an A vs. B stance, closer examination shows far more commonality that might at first be apparent.

Kimmy

It was very helpful to have this presented clearly for those looking at different paths to help our children grow. As a family I think Waldorf will be in accord with our parenting style and our spirituality. Formally unschoolers who learned fast that we all seem to seak boundrys and daily rituals we are looking to go in a different direction but one that honors the child and the needs of everyone in our home and thus the world.

I have also learned that I need to dig a great deal deeper to find the "whys" and was wondering if you could share your thoughts on the best book for this?

Blessings,
Kimmy

Donna

Dear Kimmy,

If you go to the Resources page on my web site www.christopherushomeschool.org you will find a list of books about Waldorf education. Any one of them will help you find some answers to the "whys" behind Waldorf education.

However, if you want a comprehensive guide to Waldorf education and how one might work with it in the home situation, then I have to humbly suggest one of my books, The "Waldorf Curriculum Overview for Homeschoolers" available from the Bookstore on my web site. The purpose of this book is precisely that - to explain why and how things are done in Waldorf schools and then help parents figure out how to adapt this to meet their own individual circumstances at home.

Best wishes on your homeschool journey!

Donna

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