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July 25, 2009

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Roxie

I could not stand the Batman movies myself , only saw the first two . It was my teen boys also who got me to watch them . The whole movie is set in a grey dark colour tone throughout I am just not into that nor could I ever imagine nor want to ever be in a grey dark world .
Even as far as an action movie goes I think these movies are just boring and not well done at all .I never was into the whole comic book thing as dh & our boys are but I did enjoy the spiderman movies we watched . I just found the storyline and movies in general to be more well done then the batman movies.

Alida

I went to see it with my husband last year and thought it disturbing and was disappointed by the ending. I was horrified to see people there with kids as young as five. When my daughter was five, she cried during Ratatouille. There is a scene where the critic tastes the dish and it takes him back to his childhood. His mom would comfort him with a bowl of Ratatouille after kids teased him at school all day. I felt so bad. She climbed up into my lap and when I felt her tears, she said she just felt so sad for him. Which would explain why we haven't been to the movies with the kids since :)

plunkie

Thank you for sharing your insight. I have not seen the movie, but was a bit breathless with horror when I saw my 4yo nephew wearing a Dark Knight outfit at his 4th b-day party. THEY MARKET THIS STUFF IN A SIZE 4T!!! I almost asked if he'd actually seen the movie but truthfully, I didn't want to know. Sad. And I was thinking that the SpongeBob everything theme was kinda sad...

Shonda

I haven't seen this movie but several young men (13ish) in the Shakespeare class that I mentored last year did and loved it. We had a good discussion on Heath Ledger's Joker and how he totally took that character into himself. At what cost? Possibly his depression and ultimate suicide? A very interesting and very sad thought.

tuvalu

I agree that it is a shame that this movie was marketed toward children. Especially because it is an incredible adaptation of such a fine graphic novel that was in no way intended for children eyes!
As a kid and then a teenager I loved Batman. He was as miserable as I was and but still would always do the right thing. When Bob Kane created Batman back in the forties, I think he was appealing to those surviving grim times. When Frank Miller adapted Batman into the Dark Knight series, he was writing graphic novels for young adults who were as sad and tortured as he. When Christopher Nolan Adapted Frank Millers beautiful graphic novels in to this film, I believe he intended it for the teens and adult who adore the works of Frank Miller.
I feel that this is similar to people being upset about cartoons intended for adults. If you let your child watch anything just because its is a cartoon, then if they happen upon Family Guy, well? And if you take your child to every Batman movie, well?
I think we would agree that the problem is parents being oblivious to what their children see. I don't think that a work of art like the Dark Knight series is to blame.
The Batman lore has always inspired writers to really dissect and attempt to figure out the psychological reasons behind the criminal mind. And Christopher Nolan really honers Frank Millers effort to consider also what would drive the hero to be so obsessed and how there is really only a thin vale between the villain and the hero.
However, I hope no child of mine ever identifies with this sort of darkness and wallowing. But who knows?
Read the Graphic Novels the movie is based on.
They are amazing. You may be surprised!
I can't believe I am talking batman on Christopherous. Its like- my 2 favorite things. I guess am a Holistic Nerd..

Liz

I've not seen the film yet because I have too much of an imagination and could fill in the gaps. I certainly don't intend to allow my child to see the film until she is in her mid to late teens either.

My comment would be that acts of evil and violence are edited out of our lives all day long. We don't see brutal murders but we know they happen. There are muggings, machete gangs, violations happening all the time on this planet. We know there are acts of violence going on all day long and yet we can do nothing or very little. Our hearts are only moved when we make a connection, when a journalist steps in and points out what happened, a photo appears on the news, or when a mass grave is exhumed and the forensic teams go through and analyse and catalogue and try and find the story of the individual amongst the many.

We watch films or read books and it is ironic that we care more about and feel that more should be done for the characters that have never lived, never breathed because we make a connection to them because of the actor, the writer or the director.

donna

Speak for yourself, Liz! Many of us are well aware of the violence on this earth that happens every day and do what we can to heal and to make better. My point in this blog entry was that here is something marketed for children - my opinion is that by exposing them too early to the horrors of the world, by making horror an everyday ho-hum occurrence as in this film, that we numb them and then they are not as able to respond and act when faced with real life evil - when they are old enough to do so. If evil becomes nothing special then indeed, people will turn away and not care.

And I would also say that when we read books etc of course we identify with the characters and the story - that is the point of literature. It is meant to touch us deeply, touch our universal humanity and make us feel and think - and hopefully - act. If it it worthy literature, it will up-lift us. If it is garbage, it will push us into the abyss.

dottyspots

I'm with Tuvalu - I'm a Batman fan, especially the Dark Knight. I think the most recent Batman adaptations for film with Christian Bale are excellent. Certainly the graphic novels are well worth reading.

One of my biggest bugbears in life is that comics are considered to be 'just for children' as really, many, many comics out there are absolutely not suitable for children. However, because they are comics, because they have pictures, many parents seem to assume that they are suitable for children :0( The thought of my youngest children reading through Sin City makes me shudder.

I agree that the problem lies with parental responsibility and also the increasing desensitisation of children (well and society in general). It is interesting to compare films from years ago and what sort of age ratings they get now. My mother says she once sneaked into a Cliff Richard movie because she was too young to see it (and I think she was probably a young teen at that point) and now they're on on an afternoon on tv.

Lisa

We were well aware before going to see The Dark Knight that it was not a children's movie. I believe that the trailer and advertisements made that quite clear. As a result, my 7 year old son was babysat by his older sister the night that my husband and I went to see the movie. We really enjoyed it. I liked the fact that what made the joker truly "evil" was that he had no impulse control or morals of any kind and that heros could be unlikely people in unlikely situations (like the prisoner who throws the explosive remote off the boat). The movie impressed me because it took characters that could have been cartoon-like, and made them seem believable.

Parents must really do their homework when it comes to what movies their children can watch. Read reviews, watch the trailers, ask friends, or go to the movie without the child first (this was how we decided not to take our son to the final Star Wars movie or the Latest Harry Potter movie). You are the best judge of what your child can handle.

Heather D

I agree that the problem is more with parents not researching, or not really thinking things through... and also with marketing. But not of the movie itself. The makers of the movie were not intending this to be "for children", no more than say "The Killing Joke" graphic novel was intended for children. The comic book genre has long had a great many titles that are DEFINITELY for adult audiences, not for children. This movie was simply in that genre.

So the fault is not that of the moviemakers for making a dark, nihilistic work of art. (FWIW, I loved many aspects of the movie but found it weak overall... I can't get into Bale's batman... so I'm not just an apologist because I'm a fan, since actually I'm not) The fault is that of the studios for marketing it to children -- as another poster mentioned, 4yo pajamas based on it. I'm sure there were plenty of fast food kid's meals featuring Dark Knight toys.

And then the rest of the fault lies with parents who, for whatever reason, think that it's okay for their kids.

However, I would not blame the makers of the movie, not for a moment. Otherwise you may as well say that adult-geared movies should never, ever be made, because a child somewhere, sometime, MIGHT see one!

donna

I am totally against censorship and never ever advocate that this or that film (book, TV show etc) should not be created. If people are sick enough to create some of the garbage that is out there (and I am not referring to the Dark Knight) then yes, as a society we have problems, but censorship is not the answer.

What I am against is the fact that parents do not think carefully enough when they let their children see such films. I also write as I do to highlight the fact that the "rating system" of films in this country is deeply flawed, serving as it does the pockets of the film industry and not the needs of parents and families.

Vie

You guys are making a crucial mistake- as anyone who has read the modern Batman comics can attest, Ledger's portrayal is consistent with the Joker of the comic book. The Joker is an arch-villain and a regular in Arkam Asylum. Typically, villains are not nice guys, and villains that are mentally disturbed are even less 'nice' than other villains who simply have tastes for the criminal element. The Joker was meant to be scary, and Ledger was faithful to that- a real bonafide boogieman. So maybe parents should be reading their kids comics- then there would be no need to be shocked about the Joker's callous behavior.
Secondly, horrible tales have been part of childrens' entertainment since the emergence of human societies. There's the boogieman who whisks away naughty children, ogres that feast on children who play in the woods, Hansel and Gretel, Snow White, Little Red Riding Hood (in the oldest incarnations of this tale there is no woodsman to save her), vengeful spirits in streams that will pull children into a watery oblivion.
Just like the Dark Knight, the children can't and never could see the ogre, but they could certainly imagine it- and these monsters of old were certainly not remorseful.
Your outrage is a little selective and awfully late in the game. There is also little evidence to show that films like these actually result in more violent or less well-adjusted children.

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